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frequently Asked Questions

What should I look for in a Renewable Energy Installer?
When is it appropriate to use Renewable Energy (RE)?
Is there enough sun in Ohio and the Midwest to make electricity?
What kind of site do I need for a PV system?
How many solar panels will I need to power my home?
How much does a system cost?
How many solar and wind systems are in Ohio?
Why is energy efficiency so important?
What kinds of permits are needed for solar or wind systems?
What kind of maintenance is involved in a PV system?
When does a wind system make sense?
Is my site right for wind?
How much wind is needed to make a wind generator worth it?
What about cloudy days and nighttime?
How long does a system last?
Are there any incentive programs or grants for systems?
What is GLREA certification?
What is Bergey Factory Training?
Can I produce 240 volt power?

What should I look for in a Renewable Energy Installer?
When chosing a designer and/or installer for your renewable energy system, look for an installer and company with professional training and certifications. Third Sun's Owner, Geoff Greenfield, is a NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™, as well as having training and certification from the Great Lakes Renewable Energy Association (GLREA). We also employ another installer who is trained and certified by GLREA. See About Us for more information on company and installer qualifications.

(The following information is based on a Home Power article written by Richard Perez, volume #81. Please see www.homepower.com to read the full text of the article).

If your renewable energy system is to be a success, preparation, planning and proper installation is required. The first step in any off grid system (and a helpful step in a grid tied system) is the load analysis. This is basically an inventory of all your electrical uses in the home, used to determine what size system you will need. The installer will complete this with the customers help. If your budget and the load analysis estimates differ, alterations must be made in one or both. Your installer should be able to help with this.

The next step is a site visit or survey. For siting a PV array, a Solar Pathfinder is needed, to determine seasonal variations, daily changes and possible shading issues. Your installer should use this to determine where the best place for your panels will be. Wind is more difficult to survey, but accurate guesses can be made by observation by the customer, talking to other residents of the area, examining vegetation for “flagging” and looking into local wind data (from a nearby airport, for example). The installer will know the space and location requirements for various sized towers and encourage the highest possible tower.

After the visit, your installer will produce a system design, based on your energy requirements and the site’s potential. This design includes a list of equipment. There are thousands of different combinations of equipment to chose from, and your installer should know the best choices for your specific situation. Good system designers should know through experience what works and what doesn’t. They know what pieces work well with other pieces and which ones don’t. They know details like wire sizes, inverter/appliance compatibility, and how the battery should be configured. Paying someone to design your system means you are buying their expertise, which is invaluable in creating a system that will work for you. This expertise also knows that the system requires overcurrent protection, disconnects and proper conductors. They also know the NEC (National Electric Code) and design and install systems according to the NEC.

At this point, the installer puts a price tag on the design and presents an estimate. This can become a reiterative process, as the design, load requirements and budget all must come together.

Purchase of the system comes next. Most installers will require payment up front for the equipment, or at least a deposit. Before paying for the system, make sure that the installer has given you a copy of the load analysis, a site survey report, a system design print out and schematic, and a copy of the estimate. The installer will then order the equipment then return to your site to do the install. This entire ordering and shipping process could take two to eight weeks, so patience is needed.

During installation, your installer should allow you to shadow him or her and explain things that you are curious about. They should show you how to maintain the system and explain its operation. Some installers will let you work with them, especially if you are trying to save some money. The installer should have all the necessary tools to do the installation.

If an electrical inspection is necessary, your installer should be ready for the local electrical inspector and know what they are looking for. There will most likely be no problems if your system is done to local specifications.

After the installation, your dealer/installer should give you all the proper paperwork and manuals for the components, as well as any other operational guides you may need. They should offer support on the components and be able to answer questions which may arise. They should also be able to troubleshoot on the phone or with a site visit.

Third Sun Solar and Wind Power, Ltd., has built its business around these guidelines. We follow each step listed above and work very closely with our customers to ensure that the system will perform as expected and that we, and you, have a successful installation experience. [back to top]

When is it appropriate to use Renewable Energy (RE)?
There are many reasons and circumstances when solar and wind power makes sense:

  1. Cost – If the cost is high for extending the utility power line or using another electricity-generating system in a remote location, a RE system is often the most cost-effective source of electricity. The rule of thumb is that if your site is more than _ mile from the nearest utility line, then it may be more cost effective to have an independent system than to extend the grid.
  2. Reliability—PV modules have no moving parts and require little maintenance compared to other electricity-generating systems. A PV system can also provide an uninterrupted power supply.
  3. Modularity—PV systems can be expanded to meet increased power requirements by adding more modules to an existing system. PV modules can be added to a wind system to increase power requirements.
  4. Environmental —PV and wind systems are non-polluting ways of generating electricity. PV systems create no noise, and the newer wind turbines create very minimal sound.
  5. Ability to combine systems—PV systems can be combined with other types of electric generators (wind, hydro, and diesel, for example) to charge batteries and provide power on demand.
  6. Ability to tie a renewable energy system into an already existing grid-tied home or building – In most states, the newer net-metering laws allow utility customers to produce some of their own power to offset their use of utility power. [back to top]

Is there enough sun in Ohio and the Midwest to make electricity?
Yes there is. Of course, the usable sun hours in our region are not as high as in New Mexico or Colorado. We generally figure that Ohio’s usable sun hours are 4 to 4.5 hours a day, averaged over the year. In the summer, that number is up around 6 hours and in the winter, down to 2.5. This does not mean that there is no production during the rest of the day, but premium production, or “full sun hours”, is narrowed to that time period.

There are over 150 sites around Ohio that are using the sun and wind to produce power. Many of these sites are off grid and run independent of the utility company. At Third Sun, we know first hand that a family can live comfortably with solar power, from the example of our the owners’ home and from our customers’ experiences. [back to top]

What kind of site do I need for a PV system?
First, you must have a southern exposure (in the northern hemisphere). For maximum daily power output, PV modules should be exposed to the sun for as much of the day as possible, especially during the peak sun hours of 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.

Second, the southern exposure must be free of obstructions such as trees, mountains, and buildings that might shade the modules. Consider both summer and winter paths of the sun, as well as the growth of trees and future construction that may cause shading problems. Third Sun can assess the exposure on a site visit.

Finally, the unobstructed southern exposure must also have appropriate terrain and sufficient space to install the PV system. For a ground mounted system, a flat, grassy site is appropriate terrain, whereas a steep, rocky hillside is not. For roof mounting, southern orientation is best, preferable within 15 degrees of solar south. [back to top]

How many solar panels will I need to power my home?
The size system that your home or building will require varies with the amount of electricity you consume, and whether or not you are connected to the electric utility “grid”. For grid connected, we look at the available space or square footage for mounting the panels, we look at your goal for power production (e.g. do you want to produce 25% of your power?), we look at your historical electric usage and finally we look at your budget for the project. Most of the time, our first step will to be to look at the energy efficiency of your home appliances, and reduce your amount of usage inside the home before we look at system size. See the energy efficiency question below for more information.

The first step in sizing an off-grid system is to do a full load analysis, which is basically an inventory of all of your electric usages in the home or building. This give us an idea of your usage patterns and how large a solar array and battery system you will need. Again, we look at energy efficiency in the building and reduce your loads as much as possible before designing a system. (See the energy efficiency question below.) After this, we design a system based on usage and budget. [back to top]

How much does a system cost?
PV system costs range between $5 and $15 a watt for the equipment. Add onto this $1 to $4 a watt for installation costs and other small parts. This range varies based on whether or not the system has batteries, the details of installing the system, the level of complexity of the system and economies of scale. For more specific pricing of example systems, including wind systems, see the Pricing (link) section of our website. [back to top]

How many solar and wind systems are in Ohio?
At last count in 2003 for the statewide Ohio Solar Tour, there were about 135. This number grows every month, and there are probably many more unaccounted for systems. For more information on systems in your area, contact Third Sun or Green Energy Ohio. [back to top]

Why is energy efficiency so important?
A general rule of thumb is that for every $1 spent on energy efficiency in the home, you will save $3 on the total cost of a renewable energy system. This is because it is cheaper and more cost effective to improve home efficiency than it is to buy enough solar panels to power old or inefficient electrical loads. It is possible, but economically impractical to run things like electric cook stoves and traditional air conditionering on an off grid solar electric system. Using gas appliances and new Energy Star appliances will help cut down on the cost of your renewable energy system. [back to top]

For more information on steps you can take to be more efficient and a listing of efficient appliances, see these sites:
www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/
www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/factsheets/ve8.html
www.aceee.org/buildings/resappl_type/index.htm

What kinds of permits are needed for solar or wind systems?
This varies depending on your locality, whether you are rural or in a city, and what type of system you are proposing. There may be electrical permits, building permits, zoning variances for tower installations, FAA requirements for towers near an airport, or property or neighborhood covenants. For grid tied systems, there will be an interconnection agreement between the customer and the utility company. Third Sun can help you navigate this paperwork and we often take car of permit applications and engineering when required. [back to top]

What kind of maintenance is involved in a PV system?
No PV system is maintenance-free. You will need to check your system regularly to ensure that the wiring and contacts are free from corrosion, the modules are clear of debris, and the mounting equipment has tight fasteners. You will need to monitor the power output of your PV modules, the state-of-charge and electrolyte level of your batteries, and the actual amount of power that your loads use. Keeping track of this in a special notebook is a good idea. Monitoring and metering will also help you understand the relationships between your system's power production, storage capability, and your own electric usage. [back to top]

When does a wind system make sense?
Obviously, you need a windy site!

For a stand alone wind system (independent of the grid)

  1. You live in an area with average annual wind speeds of at least 9 miles per hour (4.0 meters per second).
  2. A grid connection is not available or can only be made through an expensive extension. The cost of running a power line to a remote site to connect with the utility grid can be prohibitive.
  3. You have an interest in gaining energy independence from the utility.
  4. You would like to reduce the environmental impact of electricity production.
  5. You acknowledge the intermittent nature of wind power and have a strategy for using intermittent resources to meet your power needs, or will add solar PV modules to form a hybrid system.

For grid connected wind systems

  1. You live in an area with average annual wind speeds of at least 10 miles per hour (4.5 meters per second).
  2. Local building codes or covenants allow you to legally erect a wind tower and turbine on your property.
  3. You are comfortable with long-term investments. [back to top]

Is my site right for wind?
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has compiled wind resource maps that are available from the American Wind Energy Association (www.awea.org). The maps are good sources for regional information and can show whether wind speeds in your area are generally strong enough to justify investing in a wind system. By January of 2004, the state of Ohio Office of Energy Efficiency Renewable Energy office will have a new state of Ohio wind map, developed in partnership with the Department of Energy. This map will show classes of wind in a more detailed way and with more accuracy than previous maps. See http://www.odod.state.oh.us/cdd/oee/default.htm

Wind-turbine manufacturers can use computer models to predict their machines' performance at a specific location. They can also help you size a system based on your electricity needs and the specifics of local wind patterns. It is better to have site-specific data to determine the wind resource of your exact location. If you do not have on-site data and want to obtain a clearer, more predictable picture of your wind resource, you may wish to measure wind speeds at your site for a year. You can do this with a recording anemometer, which generally costs $500 to $1500. Because the most accurate readings are taken at "hub height" (i.e., the elevation at the top of the tower where you will install the wind turbine), this means placing the anemometer high enough to avoid turbulence created by trees, buildings, and other obstructions. The standard wind sensor height used to obtain data for the Department of Energy maps is 33 feet (10 meters). Most wind projects only use recorded anemometers if they are planning utility scale installations costing millions of dollars.

You can have varied wind resources within the same property. If you live in complex terrain, take care in selecting the installation site. If you site your wind turbine on the top or on the windy side of a hill, for example, you will have more access to prevailing winds than in a gully or on the leeward (sheltered) side of a hill on the same property. Consider existing obstacles and plan for future obstructions, including trees and buildings, which could block the wind.

Realize that the power available in the wind increases proportionally to its speed (velocity) cubed (v3). This means that the amount of power you get from your generator goes up exponentially as the wind speed increases. For example, if your site has an annual average wind speed of about 12.6 miles per hour (5.6 meters per second), it has twice the energy available as a site with a 10 mile per hour (4.5 meter per second) average.

In determining the height of your wind tower, the rule of thumb is the higher the better. You want your tower to be at least 30 feet higher than any obstructions within 300 feet. Putting a wind generator on a short tower with obstructions is like putting your solar panels up in the shade. [back to top]

How much wind is needed to make a wind generator worth it?
Most residential sized wind generators need at least 5 to 8 mph winds to begin turning. Then, they need faster winds to begin producing at the “rated” output (i.e 1000 watts for a 1000 watt generator). This relationship of power to windspeed is shown by the power output curve seen in the wind generator literature. [back to top]

What about cloudy days and nighttime?
For off grid homes and buildings, the system requires a battery bank to provide power at night and on days of no sun or wind. This battery is sized to provide a certain amount of power for a certain number of days, usually specified by the customer. For example, we may set up a system that can take the home through 3 to 5 days of no sun or wind. We also may specify the purchase of a back up gas or diesel powered generator to ensure that you can re-charge your battery bank if you are using more power than you are producing. The engine-generator can be run at full power until the batteries are charged. Adding a fossil-fuel-powered generator makes the system more complex, but modern electronic controllers can operate these complex systems automatically. Adding an engine-generator can also reduce the number of PV modules and batteries in the system. Keep in mind that the storage capability must be large enough to supply electrical needs during noncharging periods.

For grid-connected systems, no battery is needed for night time or cloudy or windless days. The power grid acts as the backup power source for these times. This makes the system a bit simpler to design and install, more efficient with lower maintenance, and less expensive. If you live in an area of frequent and long blackouts, we can also add a battery backup system into the grid tied system to carry you through these times. [back to top]

How long does a system last?
PV panels are generally warranted for 25 years. Wind generator warranties vary between 1 and 5 years depending on the manufacturer. Balance of system components, like inverters, are usually 1 to 5 years. Batteries can last between 5 and 15 years, depending on how well they are cared for and maintained. This said, a system can last and produce for 30 years or more, with some change out of batteries and possible maintenance of equipment over the system life.

To determine the expected life of your system and its components, speak to an experienced and qualified renewable energy specialist, like Third Sun. We have experience with all kinds of components and will be able to give accurate data on the life of the system. [back to top]

Are there any incentive programs or grants for systems?
Yes. To find out what is available in your state, see http://www.dsireusa.org and click on your state. [back to top]

What is GLREA certification?
The Great Lakes Renewable Energy Association provides training, an apprenticeship program and certification of experienced and professional Photovoltaic Installers. Certification requires a certain amount of class work and a minimum number of hands on installations. Participants in this must then complete and pass an exam to become certified. At Third Sun Solar and Wind Power, we are proud to have two GLREA certified installers on staff, Geoff Greenfield and Tim Dunning. [back to top]

What is Bergey Factory Training?
Bergey Factory training is a three-day intensive, on-site (at Bergey’s factory in Oklahoma) training in the siting, installation and maintenance of Bergey Windpower wind generators. Owner and Installer Geoff Greenfield is the only Ohio installer who has completed this factory training. [back to top]

Can I produce 240 volt power?
While gas appliances should generally replace electric hot water heaters and ovens, sometimes 240-volt power is needed for deep wells or special loads. An autotransformer can make this voltage or sometimes the pump can be changed to a 110-volt unit. [back to top]

Glossary

AC
Alternating Current – electrons moving back and forth along the wire in a wave. This is how electricity is provided from the utility grid and used in our homes and buildings.

Ampere or amp
The standard unit used to measure electrical current, the rate of electron flow. This is the quantity of electrical current flowing over a specific time. It is like miles per hour: 15 amps or 50 amps is analogous to 15 mph or 50 mph. When we plug in an appliance and measure it on a meter, we can find out how many amps it “pulls”. For example, turning on a light may pull 1.5 amps, and starting microwave may pull 45 amps.

Amp-hours
The unit of measurement of the electrical capacity of a cell or battery. The amount of charge that is passed through a circuit, or the measurement to rate deep cycle batteries. A 240-amp hour battery will charge at a rate of 240 amps in an hour; or at 1 amp for 240 hours.

Balance-of-System (BOS) equipment
This includes battery charge controllers, batteries, inverters (for loads requiring alternating current), wires, conduit, a grounding circuit, fuses, safety disconnects, outlets, metal structures for supporting the modules, and any additional components that are part of the PV system.

Battery
The battery stores electricity for use at night or for meeting loads during the day when the modules are not generating sufficient power to meet electric load requirements. To provide electricity over long periods, PV systems require deep-cycle batteries. These batteries, usually lead-acid, are designed to gradually discharge and recharge 80% of their capacity hundreds of times. Automotive batteries are shallow-cycle batteries and should not be used in PV systems because they are designed to discharge only about 20% of their capacity. If drawn much below 20% capacity more than a few dozen times, the battery will be damaged and will no longer be able to take a charge.

DC
Direct Current – electrons flowing in one direction. PV panels and most wind generators produce DC electric, so a system must include an inverter to turn the electricity into AC for use in the home or to match grid provided electricity.

Grid
Refers to the electrical “grid”, the power lines, power plant infrastructure that powers much of our country. “Off grid” refers to a property or building beyond the power lines, with an independent electrical system for power. “On grid” refers to a property or building connected to the electrical grid. “Grid intertie” refers to a grid connected building with renewable or independent power elements (solar or wind) that feed back into the electrical grid.

Hybrid Systems
A hybrid system combines multiple energy sources, such as wind and photovoltaic (PV), and offers several advantages over either single system. In much of the United States, wind speeds are low in the summer when the sun shines brightest and longest. The wind is strong in the winter when there is less sunlight available. Because the peak operating times for wind and PV occur at different times of the day and year, hybrid systems are more likely to produce power when you need it.

For the times when neither the wind generator nor the PV modules are producing electricity (for example, at night when the wind is not blowing), most stand-alone systems provide power through batteries and/or an engine-generator powered by fossil fuels.

Inverters
Inverters are devices that change the direct current (DC) electricity produced by photovoltaic (PV) and many wind and hydroelectric systems, or their battery energy storage components, into alternating current (AC) electricity, which powers most home appliances. Inverter technology has been advancing significantly in the decade, and manufacturers are continually improving their products. Most inverters also include a built-in battery charger.

Kilowatt-hour
1000 watt hours. This is the general measure of our electric usage on the utility bill. You can determine your electric usage by noting the monthly KWH used figure, and determine your annual or seasonal usage. This helps us renewable energy professionals size and design a system to meet your needs.

Load Analysis
An inventory of all electrical uses or “loads” of a house or building. The type of appliance is listed, the time of use per day or week, and the amount of electricity used. These loads are all added to gether to give us an amount of electricity used and needed. This is an essential first step in properly designing an off grid system and identifying load hogs that can be reduced by efficiency measures. For more information on this important step, see http://www.homepower.com/files/loadcalc.pdf

NABCEP Certification
The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP) is a volunteer board of renewable energy stakeholder representatives. NABCEP is working to develop national, voluntary standards and certifications for renewable energy professionals, beginning with certification for solar electric installers. The NABCEP board includes representatives of the solar industry, renewable energy organizations, state policy makers, educational institutions, and the trades. Each member of the board was chosen because of his or her experience and involvement in the solar energy industry. October 25, 2003 saw the first certification exam. Geoff Greenfield of Third Sun sat for the exam and will find out about certification by Dec 1, 2003. For more information, see www.nabcep.org.

NEC
National Electric Code – a set of rules governing the safety of electrical installations, including renewable energy systems.

Net Metering
When systems installed on homes or buildings that are already connected to the utility grid, many utilities allow net-metering, which is buying and selling electricity at the same rate with the same meter. The building produces a portion of the electricity used, effectively reducing the electric bill. If the renewable energy system is producing more than the building is using, then the meter can run backwards and the customer is essentially selling power back to the local utility. Grid intertie and net metering is becoming increasingly popular as the cost of public power increases and supply & distibution channels suffer in reliability. At the present time, roughly two-thirds of all U.S. states mandate by law the right to sell power to the utility.

Net metering systems convert DC power generated by the solar array or other renewable source into grid-quality AC power. The power is fed back into the grid through the home’s existing power panel and utility meter. As the power sent to the grid passes through the meter, it will count slower, or even run in reverse (if the power generated is greater than household demand at any instant in time). Utility power is being displaced at a retail rate in this manner.

Net metering systems can be designed both with and without battery storage. A battery-less system is significantly less expensive, more efficient, and easier to design and install. First of all, a battery-less inverter has a conversion efficiency of 90% or greater, so more usable power is delivered to the grid from the solar array. In addition, battery-based inverters require a power draw from the grid in order to keep the batteries charged, effectively increasing the household load and thus decreasing the amount of power available to the grid from the array. Battery-based systems also incurr additional costs due to more sophisticated control and overcurrent protection, and for the batteries themselves. A battery-based system will cost 30-50% more than its battery-less counterpart.

PV
Short for photovoltaic. Single PV cells (also known as "solar cells") are connected electrically to form PV modules, which are the building blocks of PV systems.

PV module
A series connected group of photovoltaic cells, making DC electric current directly from sunshine. The module is the smallest PV unit that can be used to generate substantial amounts of PV power. Although individual PV cells produce only small amounts of electricity, PV modules are manufactured with varying electrical outputs ranging from a few watts to more than 100 watts of direct current (DC) electricity. The modules can be connected into PV arrays for powering a wide variety of electrical equipment.

PV Array
A grouping of PV modules connected together.

PV system
In addition to PV modules, the components needed to complete a PV system may include a battery charge controller, batteries, an inverter or power control unit (for alternating-current loads), safety disconnects and fuses, a grounding circuit, and wiring.

STC
Standard Test Conditions – The nameplate rating of a PV module is measured in a laboratory at 25 degrees C and 1000 watts per square meter irradiance. The real world performance is affected by temperature (output decreases with higher temperatures) and reductions in irradiance caused by weather and the angle of the sun. Along with dust and efficiency losses in wiring, these factors result in 15-25% less power in real world conditions than at STC.

Watt
Unit of power, rate of energy use or flow. A measurement that includes both amperage and voltage. A specific amount of work done in a specific time. PV panels are measured in watts, i.e. a 100 watt panel. Ten 100 watt panels would make a 1000 watt array.

Volt
The unit of electromotive force. Electrical pressure, potential or potential difference. [back to top]

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